November 1, 2006

Crucify Them!

At the annual meeting of the Missouri Baptist Convention, David Clippard, the Convention’s Executive Director, aggressively and inaccurately attacked Islam. Ethics Daily reported today that he claimed Muslims were trying to take over our nation. He argued, “The real threat we are facing today is that Islam has a strategic plan to conquer and occupy America. ... They are after our sons and daughters, our students. ... They have a plan to take over.” He added, “The first city is Detroit, which has 600,000 people. Three hundred thousand are Muslims today.”

According to an Associated Baptist Press article, Clippard was incorrect about the number of Muslims in Detroit. And the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that Clippard was wrong when he claimed that the Saudi Arabian government was paying for university teaching positions and student organizations in Missouri and elsewhere.

The Post-Dispatch article also provides another line from Clippard. It was likely a misstatement on his part, but it sounds really bad. He said about Muslims: “We need to crucify them with Christ.” What?! Maybe he meant we need to preach Christ crucified. But instead it sounds like he is threatening to kill them all. This whole issue demonstrates the importance of being careful what we say and that sometimes the best thing we can do is keep our mouths shut.

In the same speech, Clippard urged Christians to focus more on missions, which would have been good advice for him to follow. Here was my comment in the Ethics Daily article about the situation:

“Instead of preaching missions, he aggressively attacked Islam to ignite fear and anger. Instead of preaching missions, the MBC will kick churches out that give to other missions efforts. Instead of preaching missions, the MBC will report on its lawsuit against Christian ministries, which has resulted in the convention wasting millions of dollars and hurting the image of Christians. Instead of preaching missions, the MBC will likely consider a resolution that inaccurately condemns public schools. Instead of preaching missions, the MBC will play politics by allowing Senator Jim Talent, who is in a tough reelection race, to bring greetings.”

3 comments:

  1. Brian,

    I read the article in the Dispatch and the quote attributed to Clippard. I just sincerely trust that he was misquoted on the "crucify" comment. I can't believe that he would have said that, but in the heat of the moment, as your blog has pointed out repeatedly, well-meaning Christians do misspeak and then the results can be catastrophic.

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  2. Thanks for the comment! I think he just misspoke, but he should work to try and clear up the record.

    Another interesting thought on the whole episode is found from a new Word&Way article. It reports:

    “On Tuesday, Clippard asked denominational news media not to print his remarks, cautioning that mission work in Muslim countries could be affected.”

    I wonder why he made that comment the day after his remarks. By that time it had already been reported (though it would pick up much more the next couple of days). Did someone wiser inform him he made a mistake? Or did he see the first article about realize he made a mistake? Either way, it unfortunately was too late.

    This sadly could hurt missions efforts, but not only in Muslim nations. It has already hurt the witness in Missouri and across the nation. This is a good reminder of why we should think before we speak (and not the other way around), especially when the media is present!

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  3. religion of pieces1:55 PM

    Clippard was basically correct about Islam's ambitions. Here are twenty facts that every infidel should know about Islam:

    Islam ...

    1) Is a mind-control and information-control cult founded by a murderer, torturer, brigand, rapist and pedophile called Mohammed. The mind-control and information-control aspects require that all criticism be silenced.

    - Mind and information control:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/cultorreligion.htm ,
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/07/11/do1102.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/11/ixhome.html ,
    http://www.hvk.org/articles/1102/154.html ,
    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-questions.htm ,

    - Mohammed's criminality:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm , http://www.angelfire.com/de/knowledgeoftruth/muhammed.html , http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/playboy.html , http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/libido.html ,

    - Mohammed’s pedophilia:
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27975,
    http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/aishahage.htm ,

    - Mohammed’s incestuous lust for his daughter-in-law:
    http://www.newsfeeds.com/archive/soc-culture-arabic/msg13471.html ,
    http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/page20.htm ,
    http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/playboy.html ,
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SKM/zeinab.htm ,
    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/28108


    - Silencing criticism:
    http://www.domini.org/openbook/australia200309012.htm ,
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2058502,00.html ,
    http://www.danielpipes.org/article/321 ,




    2) Is Mohammed's personality cult. Has no foundations other than Mo's murderous rantings (Koran and Hadith). The Koran consists of two conflicting parts - Meccan and Medinan (peaceful and violent respectively). The Medinan stuff supersedes ('abrogates') the Meccan stuff. Muslims act Medinan, but quote Meccan verses to the gullible infidels.

    - Mohammed as a cult leader:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm ,
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq/67.htm ,
    http://www.humanists.net/alisina/cult_or_religion.htm ,

    - Meccan and Medinan verses:
    http://jimball.com.au/features/Myth-of-moderate-Islam.htm , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/madinasuras.shtml ,
    http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2006/31-10/essay31-10.htm ,




    3) Claims to worship the same God as Christians and Jews, but in fact worships Allah - a demonic channelling through Mohammed's psychopathic ego. The Death Cult mixes garbled travesties of Christian and Jewish scriptures with pagan practices such as moon and meteorite-worship, and cut-throat blood sacrifice of animals and non-believers.

    - Allah and God:
    http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/islam/faqs/a0029179.cfm , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/nothingincommon.shtml ,
    http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/founders.htm , http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm ,

    - Origins of the koran :
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001202.php , http://www.ninetyandnine.com/Archives/20020211/review.htm , http://www.prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41003 , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/inventionofislam.shtml ,

    - Allah's pagan daughters:
    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allahs-daughters.htm , http://notendur.centrum.is/~snorrigb/fem4.htm ,


    - Meteorite worship:
    http://www.meteorite.fr/en/basics/history.htm ,
    http://answering-islam.org.uk/Gilchrist/Vol1/7d.html ,
    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-meteorite-worship.htm ,
    http://www.ccs-hk.org/DM/Islam.html, http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/english/Culture%20and%20religion.htm ,

    - Animal sacrifice to Allah:
    http://www.renaissance.com.pk/JanIslamiShari12y5.htm ,
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/skm60117.htm ,

    - Human sacrifice to Allah:
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13371 , http://diodon349.com/Attacking_USA/see_islamic_terrorists_for_the_satanic_etc_they_are.htm ,
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013978.php ,
    http://www.slate.com/id/2103261/ ,
    http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/pearl.html , http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040624-121737-2912r.htm , http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1501 ,
    http://www.bangladesh-web.com/view.php?hidDate=2004-07-14&hidType=OPT&hidRecord=0000000000000000014248 ,





    4) Has no rational, philosophical nor theological basis, and the whole belief-system is contradicted by science, philosophy, commonsense, human decency and internal inconsistency.

    - Flat earth:
    http://trisagionseraph.tripod.com/flatearth.html ,
    http://www.fixedearth.com/koran.html

    - Contradictions in the koran:
    http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ , http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/islam.html , http://www.geocities.com/lone_wolf_gc/earth_shape.html , http://www.carm.org/islam/Koran_contradictions.htm ,
    http://www.lwbc.co.uk/koran.htm ,




    5) Cannot withstand rational criticism. Can only spread and maintain itself by ignorance, illiteracy, war, terrorism, and intimidation. Islam has bloody borders and cannot co-exist peacefully with other belief systems. Winston Churchill said that Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog.

    - Irrationalism:
    http://www.mercatornet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=371 ,
    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=bc48fb82-d9f0-43d5-b28d-68a1a7e1c804 ,
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5901 ,

    - Islamic intellectual achievements:
    http://www.masada2000.org/nobel.html ,
    http://www.meforum.org/article/306 ,

    - Intimidation against criticism and apostasy:
    http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2218 ,
    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamapostasy.shtml ,

    - Bloody borders:
    http://chromatism.net/bloodyborders/ ,

    - Intrinsically violent:
    http://www.israelnewsagency.com/al-quaedaterrorismus10012.html , http://www.bibletranslation.ws/islam.html ,
    http://radicalacademy.com/gegeorgeirbe12b.htm ,
    http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1172035.html , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/jihadholywarversesinthekoran.shtml , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/poorislamists.shtml , http://www.angelfire.com/moon/yoelnatan/koranwarpassages.htm , http://www.citizensoldier.org/winthewar.html ,

    - Churchill:
    http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read_churchill_islam.html ,




    6) Has a superstitious dread of images of pigs, crosses, Buddhas, Saint George (and his flag) and of course Motoons.

    - Buddhas, crosses and teddy bears: http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1109291,00.html , http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=663,

    - Pigs:
    http://www.derbygripe.co.uk/arbor.htm ,
    http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Piggy-banks-offend-UK-Muslims/2005/10/24/1130006056771.html , http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,939398,00.html , http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=32749 , http://www.masada2000.org/bacon.html , http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/08/20/suicide.bombers/ , http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24691 ,

    - Toonophobia:
    http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000783.html http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/2006/01/portrait-of-prophet-muhammad.html ,

    - Saint George:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/10/04/britain.redcross/index.html , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011163.php ,




    7) Regards Islamic women as semihuman. Wife-beating, incest and child abuse (including mufa’khathat or 'thighing' - the ritual abuse of infants) are encouraged.

    - Treatment of women:
    http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/sexinislam.htm ,
    http://www.nospank.net/demause5.htm ,

    - Infant abuse and ‘thighing’:
    http://islamstrueface.blogspot.com/2005/07/more-on-pedopheliaand-thighing.html , http://kenlydell.typepad.com/islamic_evil/muslim_sexual_perversion/index.html , http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?View=Detail&ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445 ,
    http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/excerptsayatollah.html ,




    8) Regards all unbelievers (Kaffirs, Kuffar, Kufrs, Kafirs) as ritually unclean subhumans to be killed, subjugated, enslaved, exploited or parasitised. Kafirs are described by the Arabic word 'najis' - literally 'filth'. That's why Muslim hatred of Kafirs is intrinsic to their 'religion'. A Kafir doesn't need to DO anything to offend a Muslim, his very existence is enough of an affront.

    - Najis kafirs:
    http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html ,
    http://cartoonazi.blogspot.com/2006/09/disgusting-filthy-najis-things.html , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006589.php ,

    - Treatment of kafirs:
    http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/kafir.html ,

    - Enslavement of kaffirs:
    http://answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm ,
    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/7016 , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/neitherblacknorafrican.shtml ,




    9) The ethical system applies only to Muslims. Allah encourages rape, pillage, extortion and enslavement of non-Muslims. Morality does not extend beyond the global gang (ummah). Muslim ethics are the ethics of the Mafia.

    - Loyalty to the Ummafia
    http://sixthcolumn.blogspot.com/2005/07/how-could-they-our-british-friends-ask.html , http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003123.html ,

    - Massacre, rape, pillage and enslavement: http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/prophetterror3.html , http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Cults/Muslims/truth_about_islam_by_dave_hunt.htm ,




    10) Allah's followers are motivated by hatred, greed and lust. There is no love, mercy or compassion. Allah is vindictive, unpredictable, capricious and devious - "Allah leads astray whom he pleases".

    - Hate cult:
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27938 ,
    http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/2/3626 , http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003119.php ,

    - Women as plunder:
    http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/news-jerry-falwell-mohammed.html ,

    - Barbarism:
    http://www.howardbloom.net/islam.htm ,
    http://www.coranix.com/beastycult.htm ,

    - Allah - Father of Lies:
    http://www.bethmessiah.com/david.htm ,
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_deceiver.htm ,


    11) The only religion NOT founded on The Golden Rule. Morality is based on Mohammed's example. If Mohammed did it then it's OK for all Muslims. Hence the encouragement of rape, pillage, subjugation and murder of non-believers and the institutionalised pedophilia prevalent throughout Muslim society (justified by Mohammed's activities with Ayesha, his child sex-slave - see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics1.htm).

    - Golden Rule:
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005959.php ,
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/YaminZakariap8.htm ,

    - Mohammed as the example of ‘the perfect man’: http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic04/NewsST091304.html , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003416.php ,

    - Institutionalised pedophilia:
    http://www.cathud.com/LINKS/pages_GL/Islam.htm ,
    http://www.nospank.net/glazov.htm ,
    http://www.blessedquietness.com/alhaj/page20.htm , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/002006.php ,

    - Jihadic rape:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227317/posts ,
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20646 ,
    http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html ,




    12) All human relations are defined by Dominance/Subjugation. Muslims have schizoid inferiority/superiority complexes. (A well-balanced Muslim is one with a chip on each shoulder). They respect strength but despise compromise as weakness. Appeasement invites more aggression. The only political system which has been strong enough to subjugate Islam is Stalinism.

    - Honor/shame, dominance and subjugation:
    http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2006/01/warning_shots.html , http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/08/shame-arab-psyche-and-islam.html , http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/TOXICVAL.HTM ,

    - Inferiority complex:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2359800,00.html ,

    - Appeasement:
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13284 ,




    13) Polygamy ensures alpha-males get extra women, leading to a shortage of women for the betas. Beta-males must either jerk off (a sin leading to hell), or form dog-packs and rape or capture kafir women as booty in a razzia, or else self-destruct in the presence of infidels then they can screw 72 mythical virgins in Allah's bordello in the sky (see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics3.htm). Beta-males are often encouraged by their relatives to become suicide bombers because of the belief that such murderous 'martyrs' will be able to intercede with Allah to take 70 of their relatives to paradise with them.

    - Polygamy and Jihad:
    http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.18649/article_detail.asp ,

    - Muslim rape:
    http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25226 ,
    http://kenlydell.typepad.com/islamic_evil/muslim_rape/index.html ,
    http://gandalf-reconquista.blogspot.com/2006/11/have-you-daughter.html
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,200-2442609,00.html ,
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20720559-2,00.html ,

    - Paradise:
    http://muhammadanism.org/Terrorism/Terrorist_Mind.htm , http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000079.html ,

    - Bomber’s relatives go to paradise:
    http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=128 , http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=palestinian&ID=IA6101 ,



    14) Lying and deception of infidels (taqiyya) is encouraged. This may take many forms, including outright lies, feigned moderation, and condemnation of terrorist attacks to the Kaffir while rejoicing with fellow Muslims. All Muslims need to regard themselves as victims of some group of Kafirs so they can harbor grudges against them and against Kafirs in general. Individuals may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and must be considered potential killers who can flip in an instant (SJS -'Sudden Jihad Syndrome').

    - Taqiyya:
    http://www.freeman.org/m_online/dec97/phares.htm ,
    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/nikah.shtml ,
    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/3518 , http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=178 , http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html ,
    http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp ,

    - Muslim victimology
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2438570,00.html , http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/Islamic_victimization.htm , http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2002/March/Victim/index.html , http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/05/europes_politics_of_victimolog.html ,

    - SJS
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21630 , http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJS , http://lostbudgie.blogspot.com/2006/03/sudden-jihad-syndrome.html , http://jihadwatch.org/archives/011114.php ,


    15) Muslims are forbidden to befriend Kaffirs except for purposes of deceit or where conversion may be possible.

    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/whoareinfidels.shtml , http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/25283 ,




    16) The Koran is Allah's final word and cannot be changed or challenged. To do so is punishable by death. Consequently, the Death Cult can never change or be reformed. The instructions to murder and rape infidels are just as valid now as the day they were written. Since Islam cannot be modernised, the Muslims are attempting to Islamise modernity. This requires spreading Islam in the West and simultaneously preventing any criticism of the cult by intimidation and PC legislation to curtail freedom of expression.

    - Koran as literal word of Allah:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4048586,00.html ,

    - Koranic principles of jihad:
    http://www.israelnewsagency.com/Al-Qaeda.html ,

    - Intimidation and censorship: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/12/11/do1101.xml , http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17523 , http://www.atheists.org/Islam/violenceinbritain.html ,
    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=3674 ,


    17) Treaties and agreements with Kaffirs are made to be broken (Hudna). The word of a Muslim to a Kafir counts for nothing in the eyes of Allah. Allah is The Father Of Lies.

    - Hudna:
    http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004085.php , http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8365 ,



    18) The world is divided between Dar-al-Islam and Dar-al-Harb (the domain of war, the Kufr lands). Muslims living in Dar-al-Harb must work to disrupt their host nations until these can be brought into Dar-al-Islam.

    - Dar al Harb and the Umma:
    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/hatredinislam.shtml , http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=2601 ,
    http://www.ucg.org/commentary/madridbombings.htm ,



    19) Muslims have no obligation to their host nations and in fact are encouraged to parasitise them. Welfare fraud, identity theft, forgery etc are endemic in Western Muslim populations, and serious crime against Kaffirs is regarded as normal and justified. Extortion rackets against Kafirs are mandated by the Koran ('jizya' is the Arabic term for 'protection money' payable by Jews and Christians to Muslims).

    - Subversion and disloyalty:
    http://answering-islam.org/Terrorism/agenda.html , http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC07.php?CID=13 , http://igst.blogspot.com/2006/02/muslim-leaders-and-subversion-of.html , http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/7681 , http://www.annaqed.com/under/muslims_reaction_to_suicide_bombings.html ,

    - Parasitism:
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004591199,00.html ,
    http://niconoclast.blogspot.com/2006/08/parasitic-islam.html ,
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1720770/postshttp://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/2006/06/parasitic-fifth-column-works-jizya-and.html ,
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18399 ,

    - Jizya extortion
    http://pweb.netcom.com/~us_copts/protection.html ,
    http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/juancole.htm , http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/looting51122p3.htm , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008904.php , http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/23932 , http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21082 , http://kenlydell.typepad.com/islamic_evil/muslim_intolerance/index.html ,

    - The Muslims as a liability and welfare dependence:
    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/westsunmanageable.shtml , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011958.php , http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/10/migrants_told_t.php ,



    20) The attack on the host nation isn't just against its religion and economy, but is aimed at its very cultural identity. Islam is a complete system, including a culture, which Muslims regard as superior (despite all evidence to the contrary) to other cultures. Muslims are therefore required to destroy the symbols of 'Jahiliya' (sometimes sp. Jahiliyya) - non-Muslim culture. In the East this has included destruction of Hindu temples and Christian churches and replacement with mosques, and destruction of Buddhist artwork and universities and replacement with heaps of rubble. This process of cultural replacement is now beginning in the West..

    - Destruction of Hindu and Buddhist Culture:
    http://hindutva.org/babrimasjid.html ,
    http://www.doncroner.com/India/Nalanda/nalanda.html ,
    http://www.indiastar.com/wallia15.htm , http://65.18.218.137/genocide/ , http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/LJWalker30916.htm , http://www.hvk.org/specialarts/ichr/articles/0001.html ,

    - Attacks on Christian Culture: http://www.moriel.org/articles/discernment/islam/moslems_firebomb_english_church_during_islam_awareness_week.htm ,
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13340 ,
    http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/10235 ,
    http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003011.html ,
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214195,00.html

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